Healthy Mitochondria: Scientific Benefits of Being Outdoors

Healthy Mitochondria: Scientific Benefits of Being Outdoors

Benefits of Sunlight for Boosting Mitochondria

Dr. Jack Kruse joins Dr. Heather Sandison on this episode of Collective Insights. Dr. Kruse is a respected neurosurgeon and CEO of Optimized Life, a health and wellness company dedicated to helping patients avoid the healthcare burdens we typically encounter as we age. After suffering a torn meniscus in his knee at 6’2”, 357 lbs, Jack turned his own lifestyle around. He researched obesity and disease extensively and then tested his plan on himself and lost 77 pounds in 3 months. Today we discuss:

  • Why getting outside as much as possible is so important to our health.
  • The positive impact of seeing every sunrise.
  • The role our mitochondria play in weight management and health.
  • A challenge to take control of your own health.

Optimal health is a choice and choices are built by the way we think. -Dr. Jack Kruse

Guest biography:

Dr. Jack Kruse is a respected neurosurgeon and CEO of Optimized Life, a health and wellness company dedicated to helping patients avoid the healthcare burdens we typically encounter as we age. He is currently in private practice in the Gulf South. As a neurosurgeon, Dr. Kruse’s research has been published in respected dental and medical journals. 

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Full episode transcript:

Dr. Jack Kruse:All food is built by photosynthesis. It's an electromagnetic barcode of sunlight as the sun changes, as it goes around the earth, and the key metric that you need to pay attention to is latitude. It turns out, you can eat a bunch of carbohydrates when you're closer to the equator. The further you get from the equator, you can't. You have less margin of safety to do that, especially when you live a life disconnected from the sun and more connected to technology and blue light and non-native EMF. It turns out that most of us for the last 30 years are now more indoor dwellers. They talk to me on Skype, they talk to me on the cell phone, kind of like you guys are doing now. That's how we live our life, and it turns out that fake light is the most dominant part of human life. That's the reason why most of us are getting sick.

Speaker:Welcome to the Collective Insights Podcast. Today our host, Dr. Heather Sandison, interviews Dr. Jack Kruse. Jack became the expert he is today after doing extensive research on obesity and disease to heal his own body. In this episode, we dive into what we can do to promote good health at a cellular level. We really appreciate you subscribing and listening to Collective Insights. It would help us out a lot if you took a minute to leave us a review and a rating on iTunes so that more people can find our podcast.

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Dr. Heather Sandison:Welcome to Collective Insights. My name is Dr. Heather Sandison, and I am joined here today by Dr. Jack Kruse. He is a respected neurosurgeon and CEO of Optimized Life, a health and wellness company dedicated to helping patients avoid the healthcare burdens we typically encounter as we age. After suffering a torn meniscus in his knee at 6 feet 2 inches and 357 pounds, wow, Jack turned his own lifestyle around. He researched obesity and disease extensively and then tested his plan on himself. He lost 77 pounds in three months. Oh my goodness. So, Jack, I want to hear that story. But also, you speak frequently about passion driving the work that you do. How did you navigate that initial transition in your work from a neurosurgery practice to the work you're doing now educating the masses and reshaping the way we look at healthcare?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Well, it's pretty simple. I mean, I'd love to tell you as a physician that I did it for altruistic reasons, but it was because I was sick. I first went to my primary care doctor and asked for help in losing weight, and they told me what they tell every other patient who's fat, eat less and exercise more. So I did that and I gained 30 more pounds. So there's a famous guy out there you've probably heard of named Einstein that said when you keep doing the same things over and over and you get the same result, it's called insanity. So I decided to stop the insanity.

Dr. Jack Kruse:But what stopped the insanity was something kind of serendipitous. I was at a [inaudible] meeting in Birmingham, Alabama around 2004, 2005, giving a talk, and I stood up to give the speech and I tore my knee meniscus. I had trouble getting to the podium and getting away from the podium. Luckily, I was around a bunch of orthopedic surgeons who diagnosed the problem, told me what was going on. But the serendipity for me is one of the orthopedic surgeons' wives happened to work for a [inaudible] technology company in California and she said, "Look, I know how you did this," because I thought it was kind of crazy. I just stood up, and this is what happened to me?

Dr. Jack Kruse:She said, "I know exactly why this occurred. I'm going to send you a book and six papers. My husband says you're a pretty smart guy. You'll figure it out." What she was trying to basically tell me is that the company that she was working for was cooking the books on this new drug that they had called leptin. It's a synthetic drug. It's a drug that's really tied to the fat or adiposity levels of humans, and it's located in your subcutaneous fat, it's also located in your visceral fat. She was kind of hoping that I would kind of out the company in terms of what they were doing, and Jack decided to go a completely different way and go deeper.

Dr. Jack Kruse:The reason why I went deeper is the book that she asked me to read was a fable called The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari, written by Robin Sharma a long time ago. The story in that book was a guy named Julian Mantle, who's a famous attorney from New York, had a heart attack in the middle of the courtroom, basically decided to quit law, go to the top of the Himalaya Mountains. He was a Type A asshole, but he came back like a year and a half later, 10, 100 pounds less, and he wasn't an asshole anymore. And he had no designs on wanting to be an attorney anymore. He kind of turned his life around.

Dr. Jack Kruse:I read the book and looked at all the papers, and when I read through the papers I said, "Is she trying to tell me that what's in this book is actually possible?" That's not what she was trying to tell me, but that's how I took it. Then that opened my journey into quantum biology because I started to realize very quickly where the Himalaya Mountains are is in India, and it's in a subtropical zone, and all the people that live below the Himalaya Mountains were vegetarian for 5,000 years and they did perfectly well in an equatorial environment and the people that lived in the northern part at high elevations ate nothing but protein and fat.

Dr. Jack Kruse:I just kept jumping down these rabbit holes, and I started to realize over the last 20, 30, 40 years that people in Southern India have more diabetes on the planet than anyone else. In other words, what was going on for 5,000 years has radically changed since we adopted technology and blue light and things like that. Then I found out that Facebook and Google and LinkedIn had all their call centers and most of their tech stuff outsourced over to Bangalore and Mumbai, which happens to be where all the vegetarians live. So I started putting two and two together and said, "You know, this really isn't about food. It's actually about light, water, and magnetism."

Dr. Jack Kruse:So I kind of had this come to Jesus moment about 18 months later after I went into the medical school library in the town that I was living in and figured all this stuff out. I was in Europe with my family looking at Michelangelo's David. If any of you know the story of David, he's considered absolute perfection. So I considered perfection and then I looked at my fat ass as I looked at David, and I said, "What was the main difference between me and Michelangelo's version of perfection?" 500 years ago. And I realized what it was was circadian biology and it was the environment that I lived in.

Dr. Jack Kruse:The environment that I lived in and David was created in was radically different, and that's when it dawned on me the connection to the book, the connection to Julian Mantle, the connection to being on the Himalaya Mountains, the connection to being in strong UV light and cold weather. So I came up with this idea, this crazy idea, called the leptin prescription. The leptin prescription basically was six steps that basically, I thought, would work based on all this 18 months' worth of work that I did in the medical school library.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Now, remember, I'm a clinician. I'm an allopathic doctor, so I'm a skeptic at heart. I didn't believe it was going to work. In fact, I sat in front of my family right around 2006 at Thanksgiving, I spent $2,000 at Whole Foods, and I told them all it was to be the last supper, that a year from now I would be wearing my brother-in-law's jeans who, at the time, he was a 33 or 34 waist. But at the time, I was a 50 waist. Everybody laughed at me except my wife, because my wife knew something was going on in my wine cellar, because my wine was being rapidly replaced by papers and articles about all these things that I'm sharing with you right now. So-

Dr. Heather Sandison:It was turning into another office.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Correct. I actually did more reading in that 18 months than I probably did in my entire residency in neurosurgery. So I announced to my family that I came up with something, and I didn't believe that it worked but I was going to try it because nothing else that I had tried prior to that worked. So long story short, I did it. Three months I lost 77 pounds and in 11 months when I added CT to the mix, which is cold thermogenesis, I lost a total of 133 pounds. I got as low as 200 pounds. That was at my lowest weight.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Right now currently, 15 years later, I'm right around 230 pounds. I'm 55 years old, I'm on no medications, I don't struggle with obesity at all, I don't struggle with food. I haven't for a long time. I basically found out that all food is built by photosynthesis. It's an electromagnetic barcode of sunlight as the sun changes as it goes around the earth, and the key metric that you need to pay attention to is latitude. It turns out, you can eat a bunch of carbohydrates when you're closer to the equator.

Dr. Jack Kruse:The further you get from the equator, you can't. You have less margin of safety to do that, especially when you live a life disconnected from the sun and more connected to technology and blue light and non-native EMF. It turns out that most of us for the last 30 years are now more indoor dwellers. They talk to me on Skype, they talk to me on the cell phone, kind of like you guys are doing now. That's how we live our life, and it turns out that fake light is the most dominant part of human life. That's the reason why most of us are getting sick, and it's a very counterintuitive story when people hear it, but when they understand the quantum biology behind photosynthesis and how mitochondria work, then they begin to see another side to this story that no food guru could ever explain and that no doctor's ever explained to them before.

Dr. Heather Sandison:A lot of people experience when they are fasting, they have ... If it's in ketosis, they say a ketone flu. They have this kind of flu-like symptoms.

Dr. Jack Kruse:No, it's not ketone flu. You know what it is?

Dr. Heather Sandison:Tell me.

Dr. Jack Kruse:It's your mitochondria hasn't been able to burn the fuels that it was designed to burn for the entire time you've been fat. You got to remember something. People forget that there's three major pathways in biochemistry. Beta oxidation is the one where you fat burn. When you're a fat person, you can't fat burn. We now know that the inner mitochondrial membrane has to oscillate at 100 Hertz for it to do that. Let me ask you a question. When you put a cell phone in your back pocket, do you think your mitochondria can oscillate at 100 Hertz when the wifi connection that you have to the internet is oscillating at 2.5 billion Hertz per second? [crosstalk 00:11:32].

Dr. Heather Sandison:Certainly going to cause some kind of [inaudible 00:11:37].

Dr. Jack Kruse:You got it, and all you have to do to understand this is to go to a beach and see waves hitting each other interfere on a pier or a jetty. Everybody knows about interference [inaudible 00:11:46], but what they don't know is about the ones around technology have the exact same effect on the colony of mitochondria in all the tissues of your body. And when they can't fat burn, it has nothing to do with the fuel you eat. It has everything to do with the way those oscillations work.

Dr. Jack Kruse:This is the point of the Black Swan mitochondriacs, the people that I teach. It's very simple. Everybody focuses on the fuel in the food world; I focus in on the engine. So I give people the analogy, I want you to think about a Ferrari. I could put shit gas in a Ferrari whose engine is perfectly tuned, and I can still go 225 miles an hour. But let's change the game. Will the same thing be true if the Ferrari has never been tuned up and I put the best gas in the world in it? Turns out it's not true.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Guess what. The exact same thing is true about you. It turns out your engine is called the mitochondria. What does your mitochondria do? It reverses the process of photosynthesis. So everybody in third grade learned that CO2 plus water and sunlight equals sugar. That's not controversial. But you know what seems to be really controversial for people? They forgot that mitochondria take sugar, fat, and protein and turn it into CO2 and water. It's completely reversed. What is the side product that mitochondria give off? It gives off infrared light called heat. That's the reason why we're warm-blooded mammals.

Dr. Jack Kruse:But it turns out that that warm heat changes the water chemistry that surrounds your mitochondria that shrinks the respiratory proteins so that they're closer together. And what do the respiratory proteins in your mitochondria do? They deal with electrons. Now you're to my world. See, the input to mitochondria's not called protein, fat, or carbohydrate transport. It's called electron transport. What does that mean? Every food on this planet is broken down through electrons and protons.

Dr. Jack Kruse:So ask yourself if you're such a smart clinician, a smart patient, and a smart interviewer, how much do you really know about electrons and protons in food through the seasons as they grow? Do bananas grow in Boston on December 31st? So why do you think you can eat them on December 31st just because Whole Foods has them? See, you just broke nature's law when you did that. That makes you fat. That's the key.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Tell me a little bit more about the mitochondrial link to weight management and where leptin fits in there.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Well, it's totally appropriate. What happens is everybody knows that the mitochondria has five respiratory proteins. They work best when they're closest together. Everybody knows the fifth one is [AGPH] and that makes ATP. Cytochrome 1 is where all electrons come in from carbohydrates. Cytochrome 2 and 3 is where most fat and protein electrons come in to electron chain transport. Cytochrome 4 is the real specialized, while cytochrome C oxidase, that's where we actually make most of our water called metabolic cell water. That tends to be deuterium depleted. That means that our mitochondria and chloroplasts are very racist against certain forms of hydrogen.

Dr. Jack Kruse:It turns out, in a mitochondria there's three dehydrogenases. Those dehydrogenases pull protons out of protein, fat, and carbohydrates. What does it specifically do? It is trying to only deal with [inaudible 00:15:32]. It tries to eliminate deuterium. Why? The water that cytochrome C oxidase makes is special. It's much different than rainwater, it's much different than seawater. It is deuterium depleted, and the reason for that is because it becomes a better electromagnetic [inaudible 00:15:49].

Dr. Jack Kruse:What's that mean in English? It means it's a battery for sunlight. It turns out that water absorbs all frequencies of terrestrial sunlight from 250 nanometers all the way up to 3,100 nanometers. What you may not know is that your sun, the [inaudible] star above your head right now, that's the exact solar spectrum of our star. That's the reason why life is adapted to using the water that a mitochondrion makes. It's also the reason why chloroplasts are built the same way.

Dr. Jack Kruse:If you really know your biology really well, you'll learn that chloroplasts and mitochondria used to be bacteria that were stolen at one time in evolutionary history for a reason. This is the reason why they were stolen. Because they're really good at ciphering out deuterium and keeping hydrogen around because it turns out we can transfer more light, energy, and information from the sun wirelessly to our cells in order to program every goddamn thing you learned about in biochemistry. That's how we really work. Not how you were taught.

Dr. Heather Sandison:So from a practical perspective, how do we deal with the effects of indoor living with this exposure to blue light, not getting enough sunlight? What do you do?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Oh, I was going to say, I don't know how you deal with it but just about everybody that follows me knows you need to be outside. You need to be outside as much as possible, you need to limit everything that brings you inside. You know I'm a neurosurgeon, so what does that mean for me? The single most important thing that I can tell you on this podcast that's tied to optimal health, you have to see every sunrise for the rest of your life? Why? Because that sets the circadian mechanism that allows you to get rid of deuterium, that allows you to also tunnel your electrons very carefully on your inner mitochondrial membrane, and also allows you to build melatonin. Most people think that melatonin's a dark hormone, but it's not. It's actually a solar hormone. It's made by AM light, especially when we transition to UVA light. Why am I going on this tangent? Because it turns out, that's what melatonin does. It controls mitochondrial biology. Mitochondria-

Dr. Heather Sandison:Are you familiar with Gerald Pollack?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Very much so.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Can you tell me what your take is on his fourth phase of water hypothesis?

Dr. Jack Kruse:I don't think it's a hypothesis. I think it's pretty dialed in. It's correct. The problem with Gerry is to his work, I think it's excellent. Unfortunately, it was done in a lab under inadequate light controls and not done with deuterium depleted water. So the fact that Gerry found what he did in the water that he used and the experiments that he did should really be eye opening because it's telling us that we've missed a lot in biology, and I've been on Gerry's case for about three years now to repeat every single study he's done and published in his book to do it with deuterium depleted water and sunlight, and I think the effect will be even greater than you can imagine.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Would you break down for a layperson what he is suggesting and what you believe is true?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Yes, very simple. Water is an electromagnetic battery for sunlight. You have to get your skin in the game to make it work properly. If you don't do it enough, your solar redox drops and you get sick. It's got nothing to do with detox. What happens when solar redox drops, the [inaudible] cycle, the MTHFR snips that you have, all of those things don't work well. You start collecting heavy metals, you start collecting different bacteria and viruses in your body, your immune system goes [inaudible 00:19:38], and that's the reason there's functional medicine doctors out there that think you need to detox.

Dr. Jack Kruse:They have no idea that solar redox is an electrochemical measure between cytochrome 1 and AGBH. It's an electrical measure. It needs to be -400 millivolts. What Gerry found when sunlight hits water, it creates net negative charge. That's exactly what I'm telling you here. It turns out mitochondria are designed to deliver a net negative charge of -400 millivolts between cytochrome 1 and cytochrome 5. When the respiratory proteins stretch out like we talked about about 25 minutes ago, guess what happens to the electric charge. It drops. How do you know you're getting really sick? When your electric charge drops below -200 millivolts. That's where just about every single disease that you've ever heard from anybody else on your podcast occurs.

Dr. Jack Kruse:How do we know this is true? Well, there's another famous mitochondrial researcher who we haven't mentioned yet. His name is Dr. Doug Wallis. He's the world expert in mitochondrial medicine. He's at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. What is Doug's claim to fame? He's the guy that found 100 Hertz oscillation on the inner mitochondrial membrane, but the big claim to fame, he found out that when mitochondrial redox rises, that there's a name called heteroplasmy. That's the name for that condition. When heteroplasmy drops, diseases vanish. Completely vanish. You need to listen to some of his YouTube videos, because they will stun you when you read them. What is Doug basically saying? If we can reduce mitochondrial damage by improving redox, diseases go away. Isn't that what I just told you the [inaudible] actually said in the literature?

Dr. Heather Sandison:Yeah, and all it takes is sunshine. The prescription is to get outside?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Yeah. You got it. That's the key, and that's what I teach my people. I teach my people how incredibly important it is to understand how to properly connect with nature when you're the smartest primate on the planet who doesn't have the hair and the limbs, a way that's incongruent with your evolutionary directives. Once I can get people to understand-

Dr. Heather Sandison:So the prescription from Dr.-

Dr. Jack Kruse:What I was going to say is once I can get that situation squared away in your own mind, people begin to understand the reason why humans have gotten into trouble and wild animals haven't, see, I don't have to teach lions and hippos quantum mechanics. The reason for that is because the brain in their head doesn't allow them to break nature's laws. But see, the brain in your head and all of your listeners' head allow you to break it all the time. In fact, you're asking me to break it right now by talking to you and doing this interview, and I realize that. That's the reason why when I'm done with you I will be naked in my backyard.

Dr. Heather Sandison:That's a great visual. So is that the prescription from Dr. Kruse, is go on vacation, hang out at the beach, go for a walk outside? Of all the things that we could possibly do, is that the best thing that we can do to optimize our health?

Dr. Jack Kruse:I already told you the best thing. The best thing is you have to see the sunrise every single day.

Dr. Heather Sandison:You did say that. Thank you.

Dr. Jack Kruse:You cannot miss the sunrise. The sunrise sets the circadian method and rhythms in your body. That allows you to properly move electrons and protons in your inner mitochondrial membrane. It allows you to optimize melatonin.

Dr. Heather Sandison:How do you feel about alarm clocks?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Excuse me?

Dr. Heather Sandison:How do you feel about alarm clocks?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Oh, that alarm clock is different. The one that's in your eyes called the suprachiasmatic nucleus, that's the one that's the master controller. But in front of every single gene in your DNA, you also have a peripheral clock mechanism. There's all different ones in different tissues, but every single cell has them. Even the one cell in humans that doesn't have a mitochondria actually has a circadian clock, and that's the red blood cell. The circadian clock in the red blood cell is [paradoxin 00:23:45]. [Paradoxin] actually pulses with sunlight. That's the reason why red blood cells can tell the time of day and why they have a circadian mechanism, why we have to replace them every 120 days. When you don't go in the sun, you tend to be anemic. That's the reason why it occurs.

Dr. Heather Sandison:If someone were to come to your website, how would they approach it? When I got to your website, I was so impressed with how much information is there. How do we break it down? What would be the best way to get the most out of all the information you have to share?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Well, I think the smartest thing to do is first come on the forum. I have a website forum that's free for everybody, and I think what you need to do there is actually read. There's beginning posts about where you should start and where you should go, then I have another thing called an optimal journal, where you can actually put your story down, or you can read other people's stories to see how they've evolved over several years. Then you keep reading these threads. I have different forums for different subcategories.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Then, on the old website I have tons of free blogs. I have about four to five years of free blogs that anybody can read at They're in different series. If you want to see the overall quote document that came from those original six papers and that book I told you about. You can put my name in the Google box in the quote document, it'll pop up, and you'll read the 30 different levies that all these blogs are tied to.

Dr. Jack Kruse:If you decide after doing your homework there that you want the high level quantum biology stuff, you'll have to find those series on my Patreon blog. That's password protected. It's a minimum of $5 to join that. If I'm not worth a cup of coffee a month for you, you've basically told me how you value me so you don't really need to know that information. If you really decide to go all in and decide that you don't have the time to learn all the things that I teach people because let's say you're really sick, you've got a serious disease that you want to reverse, I have a membership program that spans four different groups. You can become a member, and then you get more one-on-one time with Jack.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Then, if you really decide to go all in, then I have Kruse Longevity Center, which is the center that I built down here in New Orleans, which I'm driving to right now. Believe it or not, I have a doctor and his wife there. As soon as I get done with you guys, I'll be treating them because they've gone through their day of testing. It's that place where you can hire me to be your personal doctor, and what we'll do on you there is we use light, water, and magnetism to renovate you back to where you used to be.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Jack, you're clearly very, very passionate about what you do. What's the most common reason for people failing or giving up on their passion? What kept you going?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Thinking. That's the number one thing. I always tell people, when I did my TED talk that got banned about eight years ago, because it was deemed too controversial. Believe it or not, it was about the leptin prescription cold thermogenesis protocol. I told them on the stage from the TED talk that optimal health is a choice, and choices are all built by the way we think.

Dr. Jack Kruse:It turns out, when your solar redox is low, remember when humans bury their largest amount of mitochondria. In their brain and their heart. It turns out, brain and heart disease is what kill humans more than anybody else. So when you're sick, when your net negative redox potential is below 400, you can't think as well. The single most important thing that I teach my Black Swans is that I have to improve your brain mitochondria so that you understand conceptually what I'm trying to teach you. When that happens, all the pieces start to fall in place.

Dr. Jack Kruse:When I first started this path 15 years ago, the road ... I didn't bump into many people that had my perspective. Now, I can't help but bump into people all the time that now know the secret sauce. I've been teaching this for 15 years, mostly for free. I'd say 98% of my stuff is free on the internet. If you want more of my time, because time is my most valuable asset, then you're going to have to show me that you have skin in your own game. That's why Patreon exists the way it does. It's the reason why the website membership exists, because usually people who are sicker, they take more time.

Dr. Jack Kruse:But do I believe if you're a true DIY-er and you're not terribly sick, can you get a humongous benefit for free just by perusing my website forum? True. I'll even give you a better one. If you have a disease process or a problem, if you put that name of that disease and my name in the Google box, you'll probably be rewarded. Why? Because there's pretty much not a disease out there that I haven't talked about on social media. I guarantee you'll either find a LinkedIn post, a tweet, a Facebook post, an Instagram post. If you want to know about how passionate I am about time and thinking, just go to my Instagram page. The only thing you'll see on my Instagram page is nothing but quotes. You'll see a dominant theme there.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Do we get pictures of you sunbathing outside?

Dr. Jack Kruse:Yes, you do. Not only that, you see some of my misfits all over the world.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Great. Good, good.

Dr. Jack Kruse:You see a lot of the things that I do. Everything I do focuses in around time. Why? Because when mitochondrial biology's optimized, you get more time in your life.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Amazing. Who wouldn't want that? More time outside and more time in your life. Jack, if there was one scientific study with unlimited resources, you could do whatever you wanted, you could answer any question, what would it be?

Dr. Jack Kruse:I think it would either be why the sun is dynamite for us, or it would actually be the studies that I told you with Gerry Pollack.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Ah, yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse:I think they need to be redone because people now know that mitochondria make deuterium depleted water. Most people don't even know the true story around deuterium.

Dr. Heather Sandison:It sounds like it. You delivered on your promise. Mind blown.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Well, I want to do that because guess what. It's really important what we talk about because I believe if you're a clinician, if you want to help people, you need to begin to get rid of the own half lies in your own life, and that's what I've been doing for 15 years. I realized that everything I learned in medical school was really a half truth. When I started subtracting the half truths and started putting nature's laws at the top of the list, that's when the needle started to move for me, it started to move for my patients, and I'm no longer willing to remain silent about what I've learned.

Dr. Jack Kruse:The beautiful thing is, anybody can learn how to do this. The thing is, it depends on your want to. How bad do you want it? Because guess what, when you're sick, thinking sometimes can be the hardest job in the world. And the thing is, I'm going to ask you to persist. When it gets the hardest, I always tell my people, "Become a lover of your discomfort and your pain and your fear. Why? Because I promise you as a Black Swan mitochondriac, the more you love chaos and run to your discomfort, the better your life will get in the long term and when you see a change, you'll die. You will absolutely ... You won't believe that this most counterintuitive story that I've shared with you today physically will change your life forever.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Die in a good way, right?

Dr. Jack Kruse:You got it.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Jack, thank you so, so much for being with us today. It's been really eye opening. I so appreciate that you've pushed us to question what we believe is true and just always continue the conversation and our exploration into what makes optimal health. I think you've really illustrated how much you bring to the table there that's different from what so many other people are talking about. So I really appreciate your perspective and sharing it with us and sharing your passion with us today.

Dr. Jack Kruse:No problem. Anytime.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Anything else you want to leave our audience with?

Dr. Jack Kruse:No. The number one thing I would tell everybody that once you understand these concepts, there's only one thing I ask of all of you. Go tell somebody else.

Dr. Heather Sandison:All right.

Dr. Jack Kruse:Once you learn, I don't want anybody to follow me. My job is to create leaders and future leaders because if we're going to change the world of medicine, we're going to do it one person at a time, we're going to turn people into Black Swan mitochondriacs, and then they're going to go out and teach other people. That's really what my main goal is.

Dr. Heather Sandison:I love that term, mitochondriac. Everyone go become a mitochondriac.

Dr. Jack Kruse:You got it.

Dr. Heather Sandison:Awesome. Thank you so much for your time, Doc. Good luck with your patients this afternoon, and we'll look forward to talking again soon.

Dr. Jack Kruse:All right. Take care. It was a pleasure talking to you.

Dr. Heather Sandison:You too. Bye.

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